one of the things about this fiscal cliff debate that bothers me, even if we raise taxes on the top two or three% and the president may reveil. then you go into 2013 and i heard the discussion on the debt which was fantastic. even if we do the tax increases on the rich they're not going to raise that much money and not that many people that make over 400 $500,000 a year and that means if the liberals want a fund these new programs and they want to bring this trillion dollar debt down. you know where they have to go, eric, who are they going to have to tax. they're f are not going to be w on the very rich, 1 or 2%, they're going to go after the middle class, at least howard dean was being honest. >> clayton: people watch fox and other networks with a different perspective on taxes and what not. >> eric: the reality is, we have a spending problem, steve. how much money we're actually taxing, tax revenues are going up. >> they have to. >> eric: it's a spending issue. if we're putting a trillion dollars into the deficit you can't fix that with taxes. >> no, you sure can't. eric, when i firs